Processor up to 250 for gaming?
GuMo,
I would like to upgrade my current PC with an FX-6300 and have an approximate budget of 400 euro for the processor and MB. I did some research, but now I would like to get a second opinion on what is best.
I mainly want to play with the processor and then stream it via my GPU (first 1060 6GB, then 3060 TI). At first I will mainly gamble Minecraft and Valorant, with the final PC then other games as well.
You can choose from Ryzen 5 3600, i5 10600K (F) and 11600K (F). Which of the three processors would you recommend to me and which mainboard would you like? And please not on the grounds: "Take the one from […], have another one from the company and I'm satisfied."
It greets you
a confused one
PS: With the Intel processors, I decide between -F and Non-F which variant is currently cheaper.
What about the new Ryzen, i.e. Ryzen 5 5600x or 7 5800x
The 7 5800x is often sold at Mindfactory for 399 euro and is a stake CPU
Currently the best price-performance ratio. The AMD CPUs have increased in price (probably because of Ryzen 5000) while the i-10000 series is cheaper.
In addition, the Intel is stronger than the Ryzen 3600.
Thank you, I wanted such a reason.
And with the 5800x I get an MB for 1 euro or with the 5600x an MB for 75 euro, which fits?
Sry read the text later with the MB
Isn't it better to read the question first before answering it?
Why do you want to gamble on the processor?
If you already have a 3060 TI, use it too! You can also stream great with the processor. I also wonder how you want to gamble with a processor. Is that possible?
First I paid attention to the selection options and there were only CPUs and nothing with MB, so I assumed that it was only about CPUs.
Sorry again, it can happen haha.
You know that the processor does a large part of rendering games and that the graphics card is mainly there to implement the processor's commands and send them as an image to the monitor
Which MB would you recommend?
For how much max?
So thought of 150-180 euro
This CPU comes close to the i9-9900k in terms of performance!
Do you happen to have any test results, because I've never heard of siwas
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/...4028vs4040
Look, these are the results of the i9-9900k is currently only 14% better, so the 5 3600 comes close to this performance and costs 200 euro less!
And the 10600K has an increase of 11% compared to Game FPS, so the 10600K is actually even closer to the performance of the 9900K
There's no 10600k you mean the 10900k which has exactly the same difference https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/...4071vs4040
Nevertheless, this is a very good performance, I mean, show me another processor for less than 180 euro that comes close to such an Intel CPU.
I don't know where you got your information from that there's no 10600K, but according to Intel they sell one like this: https://ark.intel.com/...pkw=10600K
And the 3600 doesn't do really well in comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/...4072vs4040 I mean, the Intel is 11% faster even though it only costs 4 euro more
Here is the link to a shop that sells the 10600KF: https://www.mindfactory.de/...79987.html
You have to say that you mean the i5-10600k I thought you were talking about an i9-10600k that doesn't exist!
Yes, well, but with Intel you have to consider that the upgrade costs you more than the upgrade for AMD in your case!
How would the upgrade to Intel cost me more? Besides the 4 euro surcharge on the AMD?
I see you have no idea when it comes to PC upgrades. So I'll explain to you once so that you can get a little more knowledge in this area.
You currently have an AMD FX-6300 as you described it. So that means you also have a mainboard with an AM3 socket. Regardless of whether you use an Intel Core processor or an AMD Ryzen processor, you will have to replace your mainboard anyway.
Because you can't put an AM4 processor (Ryzen 5 3600) on an AM3 socket that will unfortunately not work. If you now switch from AMD to Intel, you will probably even need a new case because you probably have a case in which only motherboards with an AM3 socket fit.
I don't know whether that is the case, but it may be possible. So and then you need another mainboard for high-performance CPUs anyway, since you can easily get it with 90 euro, if not even more.
You also need AM4 RAM (DDR4) for this. So and then you also have a graphics card that only fits in housings for AM3 socket motherboards.
In addition, if you have a weak power supply, a new power supply is likely because from FX to Ryzen or Intel is a very large increase in wattage.
In short, you would actually have to renew your entire PC on Intel, which is extremely expensive. That's why I recommend the Ryzen 5 3600 because you only need:
New mainboard (90 euro - 200 euro)
New RAM (70 euro - 140 euro)
New power supply (80 euro - 150 euro)
I'm really not kidding you because I played with FX hardware myself and the upgrade for myself cost almost 650 euro. And if you were to switch to Intel now, everything would have to be renewed.
It is almost worthwhile to buy a new PC where you can get cheaper.
I see you have no idea when it comes to PC upgrades. So I'll explain to you once so that you can get a little more knowledge in this area
Touché my friend. I think you need to find out something.
If you now switch from AMD to Intel, you will probably even need a new case because you probably have a case in which only motherboards with an AM3 socket fit.
I don't need a new case for that as the economy was so nice and introduced https://de.wikipedia.org/...ATX-Format. There are sizes ATX, mATX and others. With these standards it does not matter which processor type the mainboard is for, it will always fit if the housing supports this standard.
So and then you also have a graphics card that only fits in housings for AM3 socket motherboards.
The graphics cards fit into all slots, regardless of whether they are from Intel or AMD, as the height of the first PCIe slot was also determined within the MB standards and the housing therefore also has its brackets in the appropriate place.
In short, you should actually replace your entire PC on Intel
No, I don't have to, just the parts you mentioned for AMD such as power supply, RAM and mainboard.
I'm really not kidding you there either
I believe you that too, but still you should stop spreading your false knowledge and thus leading people in the wrong direction
No, I don't have to, just the parts you mentioned for AMD such as power supply, RAM and mainboard.
At that time I also played with FX hardware and I already had an upgrade like this behind me and it is very expensive to convert from AMD FX to AMD Ryzen.
So I don't know which power supply you have in there because FX does not need such a blatant power supply. If you are lucky like me, then your power supply is still sufficient.
But if you have any cheap one with 240 watts or something, then an exchange is necessary because the Ryzen 5 3600 alone needs a good 110 watts.
So, then you have to replace your mainboard anyway because this is an AM3 socket mainboard where you don't have an AM4 socket on it. And then you also need new memory.
Nowadays you should have 16 GB and depending on the brand and any additional options you may want, that will cost 70-90 euro.
How it looks with your graphics card I don't know which one you have. But it may be that it only fits on an AM3 socket (may be, but does not have to be) mine had also fitted the new one back then.
So if you want to switch to Ryzen and everything in your PC is oldtimer, then you will actually have to exchange almost everything because FX and Ryzen are completely different worlds.
And with the cases there it is very likely not that you can use each one for every mainboard. Some cases support e.g. Only AM3 mainboards e.g. Old cases.
And if you want to switch to Intel, it will be very expensive!
In your opinion, I shouldn't spread my false knowledge, maybe you think twice before you write something like that! I just don't know your processor anything else.
So I only mentioned possible things that could happen but are not guaranteed. Everyone makes mistakes - no master has fallen from heaven yet.
I always learn new things from people who have more knowledge than me, so I say from my side that I'm neither an IT specialist nor am I an expert on PCs.
Most of my current knowledge about PCs has only come from other people here and (partly) from my own experience!
I don't say anything against a power supply, motherboard and ram replacement, I had already planned these, just not mentioned in the question.
How it looks with your graphics card I don't know which one you have. But it may be that it only fits on an AM3 socket (may be, but does not have to be) mine had also fitted the new one back then.
The graphics cards rely on so-called
https://de.wikipedia.org/...CI_Express, these are there for data transmission. There are different versions, there are x2 and x4 slots, mostly for SSDs. Then there are x8 and x16, these are the slots in the graphics cards.
The number in the name indicates how many PCI-E lanes lead from the processor to the respective slot. So you can also plug a graphics card with x16 into a slot with x8, but you can't expect the same performance.
And with the cases there it is very likely not that you can use each one for every mainboard. Some cases support e.g. Only AM3 mainboards e.g. Old cases.
This is still not correct, as you can already find the designation "ATX" on old AM3+ mainboards. This indicates how big the mainboard is and where the holes for the standoffs are. So if you take an MB that has the same form factor, then you can be sure that it would happen too.
And by the way, as a question, if everything was built especially for AM3+, why wouldn't I have to upgrade the housing and other things when upgrading to AM4? Wouldn't that be the same problem as with Intel?
So I don't know which power supply you have in there because FX does not need such a blatant power supply.
As a minor side point, the FX-6300 has a TDP of 95W while the Ryzen 5 3600 only has a TDP of 65W, but that doesn't really matter
I would have bought this - optionally, if it should be more up-to-date, the successor there
Future security.
There are certain housings because you can't install an AM4 mainboard because you can tell me what you want!
And why would you buy that?
The successor is unfortunately too expensive
As far as I know, there are no enclosures there, because why should you publish an enclosure that doesn't fit normal MB standards? Except, of course, the custom cases from finished PC manufacturers such as Dell, etc.
As an example, if you pay attention to the form factor at https://geizhals.de/...ml?hloc=de, you will see that it is specified with µATX. Now we look at einhttps://geizhals.de/asus-m5a78l-m-lx3-90-mibi40-g0eay0gz-a745275.html and can see that the form factor also includes µATX. We can do the same with a https://geizhals.de/...ml?hloc=de and see the same form factor.
But you are welcome to send such a case that no AM4 board fits in, maybe we can learn something from each other
You can't install an AM4 mainboard in such a case: .html
If it was released before 1996 probably not. But no Am3+ board could fit into such a case, since this socket was released in 2009, 13 years after the ATX form factor
You can't install a fat V12 engine in an old, small standard VW either because that doesn't fit the space just as an example!
No, you can't, as motor sizes are not standardized. But if you take a mainboard that has the same standardized size as your previous one, you won't have any problems installing it. Therefore, you can't generally say "AM4 boards do not fit in housings in which AM3+ boards were previously installed"
No, you can't, as motor sizes are not standardized
I told you!
Therefore, you can't generally say "AM4 boards do not fit in housings in which AM3+ boards were previously installed"
I have never said that exactly, I keep talking about the fact that there are simply housings in which you can't install an AM4 mainboard! Take a PC from 1989 and its case as an example because you won't get an AM4 mainboard!
You mean housing in general. Something like that doesn't always fit in there, of course.
But if we start from the situation with me, you can be sure that I don't have to upgrade the case. No matter I choose Intel or AMD. With both variants I would only have to upgrade the mainboard, power supply and RAM, everything else such as GPU, housing and HDD can stay the same
