Your opinion on the config?

Mo
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I want to buy a new PC and asked my friend if he could configure one for me.

He sent this to me: https://geizhals.de/...WL-1981862

Unfortunately, he is not entirely sure himself whether the PC is really suitable. My requirements were that it had a good mix of performance and looks. Mainly Minecraft, Valorant and Forza Horizon 4 are gambled.

Would you change something on the PC, if so, what?

Na

Everything fits. But if you want such an expensive CPU, take the ryzen 5 3600. Exactly the same price and you save the money for an overpriced z490 MB. The water cooling is overkill. Take an air cooler or a smaller water cooler. (ultimately your decision)

Mo

My friend said that the 10600K is currently very suitable and especially good for my application. At the WaKü it is very optically chosen, but according to him it should be good

Na

But it doesn't differ from the 3600, you even save money. In addition, the ryzen is more energy efficient. The performance is the same.

Li

You could say that an AMD CPU might offer a better price-performance ratio, but whether Intel or AMD is like the question of religion…

Whether a 3060 is necessary for Minecraft, Valorant and Forza Horizon 4 is of course questionable.

Otherwise you can build it that way.

Mo

Can only repeat what he said. He meant something about better performance for high FPS numbers. Just want to play FHD @ 240Hz

Li

Your friend has no idea. A 10600K is no longer a good choice in the mid-range price range

Since you are obviously not buying Intel out of conviction, I would recommend a Ryzen CPU

Mo

Just want to buy the PC for the next few years and then not have to upgrade every time

Na

Sorry but he's talking rubbish. If he is not sure whether everything fits then he probably does not know which CPU is better. The ryzen is exactly alike in terms of performance. You don't notice any difference. And save money. Have researched, the Aio is ok

Se

The 10600K is a good intermediate between the 3600 and the 5600x. At a current price of around 200 euro, you get a better performance in single core.

The 5600x is better in the single core, but also costs 130 euro more, which not everyone has in their budget.

Li

You should be very sure that your fan manifold is compatible. Pay attention to the presumably required internal USB header

In addition, your mainboard is not compatible with the front io of your case

Na

Still, he has no advantage. If I then have to buy a mainboard for 160 euro.

Mo

How are they not compatible?

Li

A USB 3.1 header is missing on the mainboard

Se

This is also required for a 5600x. I'm not saying that you should use a 10600K instead of a 3600. I'm just saying that it's the sweet spot between 3600 and 5600x.

And on the subject of "There's no difference in performance", here is a video in which you can see that the 10600k can now have more than 10 FPS +

Li

Do you really want to install your GPU vertically? If so, you should really be sure that your holder can withstand the almost kilo of the card.

Mo

Is there an MB that has the required connector

ca

I don't know where you have your eyes, but if you take a closer look at the mainboard, you will find the USB C connector, which is supposedly not there, a bit below the 20 + 4pin. ATX power connector.

Also described here in the manual for the mainboard, on page 76:

https://download.msi.com/archive/mnu_exe/mb/M7C75v2.0-EURO.pdf

ca

The MSI Z490 motherboard has this connection. There was only one blind, nothing more.

ca

Hi

If it absolutely has to be intel, then everything fits. The memory could be a bit "fast" for the i5 10600KF processor, because it only supports up to DDR4-2666 RAM natively. In addition, the current Intel Socket 1200 processors burn a lot of electricity and accordingly produce a lot of heat. Even with the next 11th generation, this will not improve. The i5 10600KF burns 125W TDP and up to 182W during PL2 All-Core Turbo, for TAU max. 56 seconds.

https://www.golem.de/news/core-i9-10900k-core-i5-10600k-im-test-die-letzten-ihrer-art-2005-148363-3.html

Then the clock has to go down again so that the 125W TDP is maintained on average. As a result, the maximum computing power sometimes fluctuates very strongly or the mainboard prevents clocking down, there's also, but then the TDP is also permanently 182W with the i5 10600KF processor. Even water cooling makes sense for this.

Since current AMD processors can easily keep up in terms of performance, burn less power and cost the same or less, I would recommend that you take a look at AMD. The mainboards are also a bit cheaper. The Ryzen 5 3600 would be somewhat the equivalent of the i5 10600 (K / KF) processor. The Ryzen 5 3600 is 10% slower in a single thread, but offers 20% more performance with multi-thread, with a significantly lower power consumption of only 65W TDP and a lower price. Of course, a Ryzen 5 5600X would be better, but it costs over € 300. Therefore the Ryzen 5 3600 and because it is comparable to the intel i5 10600KF. So there are hardly any reasons to throw the money down Intel's throat, especially since their processors are no longer better than those from AMD, but sometimes even worse. Since the Ryzen 5 3600 only burns 65W TDP, no water cooling is required, but could still be used.

These graphics card "vertical" sets should also be used with caution. They can cause mechanical and electronic problems and so far are hardly PCIe 4.0 compatible. I would leave it.

Here is the alternative:

Your opinion on the config

This is just an example, but basically everything you need. In addition, the desired graphics card, if it is available and affordable, nothing more is necessary.

Mo

I would like to keep the case with the fan configuration. Does the case match with the mainboard?

ca

That was just one example of what is really necessary. Which housing you install the components is up to your taste. And yes, the AMD AM4 motherboard also fits into the Lian-PC ATX case that you have already chosen. The case can accommodate from ITX to ATX mainboards and that is an ATX mainboard, so it fits and the mainboard also has the necessary connections, including the USB C connection. The mainboard is only suitable for the AMD AM4 Ryzen 5 3600 / 5600X processor, but not for the intel i5 10600KF. The Ryzen 5 3600 / 5600X processor also natively supports DDR4-3200 RAM. The Ryzen 5 5600X plays in the league of the i7 10700 processors, but is also in their price range.

However, the "vertical set" for the graphics card can be tough, because the PCI Express extension is only designed up to PCIe 3.0 and PCIe 4.0 is supported with the new mainboard, the new processor and the graphics card that is still to come. This can lead to transmission errors via the PCIe extension and that can cause crashes.

ca

Great, 10 FPS + more, with double to triple the power consumption. Top efficiency. Is that really up to date?