Cpu / gpu recommendation, is it worth it?
I'm facing the following decision.
I currently have a tower with an i7 6700 (without k), a GTX 1070, 16gb ram 250gb ssd and 1tb hdd, until 2 months ago I got along really well but then I got a 144hz monitor, now I don't get 144hz but just like that Around 100-120 (Rainbow Six Siege) in other games, it will likely be similar.
Now I would like to get a new PC and I have to stream in sight, of course in 1080p 60fps and from the same computer since I then sell my old one
i have cpu i7 8700k / i7 9700kf or 9900kf in sight because I would very much like to get high clock rates through oc, these cpu's are the most worthwhile (the high clock rates are important to me because I like minecraft modpacks as well as arma 3 and like to play it matters a lot there)
which would you recommend and I'm also considering getting an rtx 2070 but i'm not sure is the rtx 2070 worth it or is the gtx 1070 enough? In which combinations would you say it would fit?
and how much would my old PC be worth? With the 1070 and without?
i'm very lazy because of upper and lower case ^^
I would get an RTX 2070 or 2070 Super in your place. You will get more FPS in almost all games but also not extremely much because your processor will limit something. You will notice a difference anyway.
I would clean the CPU cooler in your place and apply new thermal paste. You can also check on the Internet whether your mainboard BLCK OC is possible. If so, I would head the CPU to get better temperatures (just enter CPU head hardware rate). Your PC may become unstable. In this case, in addition to the voltage for the CPU, I would also increase the voltage for the main memory (RAM).
You can also overclock the RAM to get a few more FPS. There's also a video of hardware advice.
Your PC is a bit difficult to assess because you have not written anything about the mainboard, power supply, housing, CPU cooler and RAM and hard drives.
The smartest thing would be to leave the CPU. Because it is still pretty good. It is enough for gaming and streaming is also no problem. And as far as the fps values are concerned, you shouldn't be put off by the tests. If the CPU in games is tested for the fps values, a test game is usually played with a resolution of 1280x720. This is done so that the graphics card does not reach its limit and thus differentiates the CPU from the resulting differences in fps values. Only that has nothing to do with reality. No one plays with a resolution of 1280x720.
I build about 60-70 PCs a year and can therefore say that if a PC e.g. An RTX 2070 S has, the values are almost identical afterwards, regardless of whether an i7 9700K or a Ryzen 7 3700X is installed.
So clearly my advice, save the CPU money and buy a decent graphics card. But since the GTX 1070 is also a damn good graphics card, I can only recommend an RTX 2080ti. Anything below that would not be worth the money to replace the still good 1070. By the way, I also have the 2080ti. I bought it from KFA2 for 1100 euro. A little expensive, but it's a monster graphics card.
Okay, that's a meaningful answer, but my i7 6700 is permanently at 100% load and that if I only have the game open, and I streamed dayz recently and had 90 if I didn't limit the cpu in dayz to 60fps fps and the stream was lagging, after the limit of 60 fps I had a smooth stream (line is a vdsl 250mbit at 1&1 with a 40mbit upload) everything is stable ^^ So which of the 3 cpus would you recommend? 8700k or 9700kf? And is it worth the surcharge of around 150 euro more for the 9900kf?
the 8700k is only 30 euro cheaper than the 9700kf and has 2 cores more ^^ so I think the 9700kf would be preferable to the 8700k right?
Thank you in advance and I have
i7 6700
gtx 1070
16gb ram (2x8)
gigabyte z170 hd3 cf
is a thick tower cooler (cpu does not go above 70 degrees at 100% load)
250gb sata ssd
1tb hdd
I can't say more precise without screwing ^^
but it has to be enough for an estimate right?
he is only one year old and has a midtower that looks like a gaming case (looks quite similar to the zalman z11)
what would you say? I would expect 500-750 ^^ after all, it is enough to play all current games at the highest (full-hd) settings with 60fps completely ^^ (maybe with a few exceptions)
The processors don't run on your mainboard anyway. The base is also called 1151 but v2. For Kabylake CPUs you need a 300 chipset. You can also get an AMD Ryzen 3000er there. They have a better price-performance ratio and AMD CPUs now have better single-core performance, which is not far from that of intel.
I guess you get 550-650 euro for it.
Yes that is clear to me i will take over anything except maybe you graka from the current pc.
AMD is definitely better in terms of price but I will stay with intel for the time being as singlecore with you even if it is not far away is very important because, as mentioned above, I play minecraft modpacks and arma 3 / dayz where this is extremely important and with a 9700kf / 9900kf it is very likely to get the clock rate stable to over 4.5 GHz, if I'm lucky I can even get the 5.00 out then the only question is whether the cooling is sufficient, if not I have to do a little bit at first screw down ^^
Well, then I agree with you, if your CPU is always at 100 load, it is time to upgrade it too. If you're smart, switch to AMD. Are the much better CPUs in all respects. And I'm anything but an AMD fan boy. I only had Intel CPUs from 1997 to 2019. But when I saw the first tests of the new Ryzen 3000 series, I was already fixated. I also do a lot of video editing and play a lot. When I saw the first test of the Ryzen 9 3950, I knew that I absolutely wanted it. But since it only came out recently, I didn't want to wait any longer. Since I was no longer satisfied with my i7 7700K. The problem was, when I rendered videos I couldn't do anything else on the PC.
So I switched to AMD in September 2019. The Ryzen 7 3700X should be enough for me temporarily. And what can I say, he did that enough. Render and play no problem. Was really flabbergasted what the 8 Kerner did. Then when I finally got my R9 3950X last month and tested it for the first time, I fell out of the clouds. Render, play and other applications. And then not even at 50% capacity. Not even the i9 10980 can do that. And that's an announcement.
So clearly my advice, take the R7 3700X a B450 Tomahawk Max and you will no longer have any problems playing and streaming. If you switch to AMD now, you're only doing yourself something good. Should Intel wake up from hibernation again, I have no problem buying Intel CPUs again. Only now is AMD clearly on the trigger. And you can't have overlooked that.
I don't have it either, and that's really impressive, although I'm stupid to stay with Intel for the time being because, as I said above, I get the extremely high clock speeds of 9700kf and 9900kf from overclocking and, as I said, they are extremely important to me and I also do no video editing except now and then cut one or the other game clip but completely without effects ^^
So if only the 3 above are available for my points, which would you recommend?
Okay, that sounds good ^^
Then I would definitely take the i9 9900Kf. Because if you are into high clock rates, then you are right.
But let me tell you one more thing. When the new Ryzen 3000 came out, the i9 9900K and the Ryzen 9 3900X were almost the same price. So there were many tests against each other. Of course, it turned out that on average the i9 9900K had 5-8 fps more than the Ryzen9. However, what was often left out was when the load was measured at the same places in the gaming benchmarks, the I9 9900K was constantly busy with about 50% higher load. Just by the way.
