I don't understand my father's logic?

Be
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My family has always had a problem with computer games… When I was in elementary school, I always wanted Minecraft. For years I was promised that I would get good grades in my certificate. It never worked because I just didn't have the right motivation. I had the feeling that I only live for school, and then of course you don't enjoy learning for school. At some point I just bought it myself when I was 13.

I'm now 16 (male), and have wanted to play GTA for years. On the one hand, my friends have been playing it since they were 12, and I think it's really early. But then again I don't understand what's so bad playing at 16. I'm a social boy who doesn't mess around, doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, doesn't actually do anything bad (no self-praise, I mean only).

He lists reasons why I shouldn't play GTA…
But I just don't understand it.

He thinks I can go to brothels in GTA and what do I know, he has been telling me for two years that I should have a girlfriend, that I can "drag" n girls home with me, I mean Lock the room & I don't have to be afraid that it will interfere or something…
He says there's violence in GTA. I asked him a month ago if I could go out with a buddy (in the evening). He says I should like to stay out all night, if someone turns us on & we hit each other, I should learn from it.
He says that in GTA you can take drugs, drink etc. He says that if I want to try drugs I should let him know and he would get me some so that I can take them in front of his eyes. Sure, that's better than that I do it with a stranger, but every father would clap his son instead of offering this opportunity.

I just can't understand his reasoning. I just asked him if I could have it. When he saw that it would cost 15 euro, he said that we were already short of cash anyway. But I go to work myself, especially to be able to treat myself to something like that.

And he said that I should pull my buttocks together in the last weeks before the exams to make the transition to high school (I'm in 10th grade at the moment), and he means that if I have made the transition, I can go day & Night gaming. I know that it will be very different, because then I probably won't even be able to play Candy Crush anymore, because then I'll be in high school.

I can just understand his arguments 0. I feel like he'll always make excuses no matter when I ask him.

What do you think? Am I exaggerating? Is he exaggerating?

Hu

Personal experiences in life are much more realistic, valuable, versatile and appropriate than experiences gained in computer games like GTA. After all, is there a difference between brawls and people running over and shooting at random? So I can already see logic.

Jo

I think your father is exaggerating a bit. His reasoning is illogical and, in my opinion, based on the fact that he just doesn't want to tell you in the face that he doesn't allow you to play because he doesn't like the game. Or because he fears your school grades could suffer.

However, he is your father and if he forbids you to play, it is his right as a legal guardian.

However, I think you could choose a different game. One that offers something more or generally a different kind of challenge or artistic content. But that's subjective.

Be

But honestly, he knows very well that I'll get it sooner or later anyway. I understand 0 why he forbids me, because his prohibition is in no way an obstacle. It just makes me less respect him.

Gu

I also have so parents, for me it was extremely helpful to do deals with my parents. Even if you choose the "weaker" parent. Mucus often works well. Tidy up or bring good grades home. If you make a deal it must also be something that excites your parents because if you say yes I clean up my room, your parents will not be itchy. Find out what appeals to your parents and make good deals. An example:

Mom, may I go to my girlfriend's on the weekend, I also cleaned up my room. (This is how it works with my parents)

Be

Okay, maybe I can put it this way: I can play CSGO because the FSK / USK is over 16. CSGO is all about killing opponents. But in GTA you can do a lot more useful things. And why am I not allowed to play it? Because the FSK / USK is over 18.
For me it just makes 0 sense. He's not really concerned with what the game is about, he is just looking at what any idiots have written on the game as an age rating.

Be

I live alone with my father, & deals don't help. Things like tidying up rooms or helping out in the household are part of it anyway.

You don't want to know what would happen if I asked if I could go to a friend's house as a reward for helping him with the household

Be

I'm sorry I come across so disrespectful, but I think it's his fault. He allows me things like what do I know, smoke, have sex with girls, but not something ridiculous.

And honestly. Doesn't it make sense to have your son rob a bank in a game, & then the son sees what he gets from it, in which he then gets into trouble in the game? Instead of trying it out in reality? Or does that make no sense?

ca

I think your father meant the phrase "otherwise I will get you some" so drugs that it was just said out of the head but he would not do it.

And now a question from me you play on ps4 or PC… I only know about ps4 now, but on PC it is something like that… So if you logged in via email and then bought the game, they'll notice that but not, you say that you get Formula 1 then you get the psn card and then you just buy gta but you can only gamble when he is not there… I don't know if you gamble in your room or in the living room. Of course it would be better in the room

That's how I did it, but now at 15 my father knows that I'm playing gta, rainbow, mw etc. And he also knows that I know it's just a game

Pu

I can understand both your father's and your opinion on the subject.

You are definitely right, a lot of children are already playing GTA V. However, I also think that your father likes you very much. He also wants you to become something.

My opinion is that he overreacts a little.

Gu

That "could" become a problem 😂

Be

I play on the PC. & I wouldn't have to say that I'm going to get Formula 1 or anything, I just have to walk 2 minutes to the kiosk & buy a PSC.

And I play in my own room. Just when I asked him, he said that I could play all the time anyway & he wouldn't have noticed because he doesn't control what I'm doing on the PC.

& he said he thinks it's great that I ask him. Then he said in Turkish (so my little sister who was sitting next to it didn't understand) "game, but don't let me know."

Then I told him how I want to pay it & then he started with we already have little money anyway, which makes absolutely no sense, since it wouldn't cost him a cent, because I make money myself, and then it came Argument with school, & that was his argument for forbidding me to play.

In theory, of course, I could buy it myself without him noticing it, that's right.

Hu

Don't explain to me that you can do something useful in GTA. Since when has the Mafia been doing something socially meaningful xD Later you will understand that the age rating actually makes a lot of sense, I did not understand it at the time. Sure, if there's no other way, you have to play somewhere else or buy anyway, but I advise against it, the graphics are better in real life.

Be

I don't have to play anywhere else. Theoretically, I could buy & play it now without him noticing. Nevertheless, I wanted his permission because I love & respect him.

Nevertheless, I can't understand his opinion.

Hu

Then go to him and ask him to explain it to you so that you can understand it better. And that you want his permission and don't want to do it secretly.

Be

No, if I ask him again, he even forbids me FIFA. XD

I either have to do it secretly or respect his opinion.

Hu

Difficult situation. If your father is not open to conversation, it is his fault if you do what you want. Decide wisely.

Be

On the one hand, I don't want to cheat him, but if I don't play it now, I'll do it when I'm 18. I'm not quite sure.

Of course I want to obey him, but I will play it either way, better now than when I need the time later for more important things.

Jo

Makes sense. But what makes no sense is if you ignore your father's prohibitions in reality. Therefore, you shouldn't just do what you like, but try to negotiate or compromise, for example.

Sure, respect is a thing to be earned, but think carefully about where your path will take you if you don't listen to your father.

Be

The way leads me to Vice City.

Jo

Think further. What's in a few years? What in a few decades?

ca

Ok then a lot of success to persuade your father